Cummins Marine Diesel Repower Specialists community Marine Transmissions ZF 1960 (BW196) Suspect fwd clutch / Low pressure at idle

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    Michael J. Tate
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    Vessel Name: J Money 65 Hatteras
    Engines: CAT3412E
    Location: San Diego
    Country: United States

    I have a 65 Hatteras convertible that has CAT 3412E and BW196 transmissions with Sturdy Electronic Controls including trolling valves.

    The engines have 1600 hours on them, of which I put on 400 easy hours over the last 2 years.  I have recently noticed a slower engagement on the port engine going into forward.   The Clutch pressure is normal at idle, 135 psi, and over 700 rpm at 310psi.  Reverse is exactly normal quickly jumping to 300 psi even at 550 rpm (slow vessel mode).  The shift to fwd is becoming increasingly delayed and I observe Clutch pressure dropping to 90 psi and slowly building back to 125 psi at which time we get full engagement.  Pressure builds with rpm, not time, until everything is normal by 700 rpm.  The oil is still clear and no unusual smell.

    I have swapped complete control heads from Port to Starboard and the problem remained with the port engine.   I pulled the covers for both the input and reversing shaft and checked the piston rings and bores and they were pristine and still had preload.  I assume at this point that I have either a worn out clutch or the seals on the clutch piston are shot.  What is anyone’s experience with these symptoms.   If I have to pull the gears off to get to the seals is it recommended to replace the clutch packs, given the difficulty and special tools required to get there?   Any suggestions on who has tools for this in the San Diego area?

     

     

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    Tony Athens
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    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    Sounds like you have a solid understandings
    and a plan.

    San Diego– NADA

    Kentucky–Yes–That’s is where all my gears go

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    Michael J. Tate
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    Vessel Name: J Money 65 Hatteras
    Engines: CAT3412E
    Location: San Diego
    Country: United States

    ZF 1960 Suspect fwd clutch / Low pressure at idle

    Tony,

    Thanks for the quick response.  Yes, I have a complete operating manual, overhaul manual and parts list.   When I mentioned that I changed out the control heads, I was referring to the valve body, including electrical solenoids and trolling valves mounted on the top right of the transmission.  Also the fact that I get full and immediate pressure in reverse had led me down the path of a leakage path unique to the one clutch pack.  It does get to full and stable pressure above 700 rpm in forward.  Do you often see failed seals on the clutch piston?   Do you know who has the tools to replace a clutch kit in the San Diego area?

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    Tony Athens
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    Vessel Name: Local Banks
    Engines: QSB 6.7 550 HP
    Location: Oxnard, CA
    Country: USA

    From the symptom you describe, it sounds more like a broken oil pressure relief valve spring inside the shift valve assembly.  You have purchased a complete repair manual, correct?

     

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